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we made it guys thank you so much for

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being patient sometimes these technical

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issues arise but we got there um so yeah

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thank you guys so much it's good to be

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back i'm your host vinnie adams

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and let's let's get straight to it um i

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really want to enjoy this conversation i

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know we're going to it's going to be

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fascinating so let's jump straight in

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and please welcome my guest mr ronnie

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vernette ronnie how are you

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hello uh

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thank you for inviting me

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we have had some technical issues

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but i think when it's live it's

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something you have to

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happen it happens occasionally so i'm

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sorry but we are i'm here i'm able to to

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answer all your questions

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and let's go

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thank you so much it would be great if

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before we get into sort of talking about

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the hearings if i could just learn a

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little bit about you as a person um your

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background and when you first got

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interested in the ufo subject

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yes i'm not a ufo guy i'm just i'm an

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electronic engineer electronic and

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i i entered in this in this subject i

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entered this stuff

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because reasons that i even cannot

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explain how the the the synchronicity

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of things that happened

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and uh

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i i was interested in this topic but not

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do my own research

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not not to to do an activity stuff so

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two years ago

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for some reasons i work i work as a

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brazilian government employee

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i work in a brazilian state oil and gas

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company

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and for some reasons i get in contact

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with some guys from from the national

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indigenous foundation because of my job

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my work

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and and i had contact with them and and

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some people from there from there from

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the national indigenous foundation said

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to me oh

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we had some cases in amazon between

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where some indigenous people are being

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affected by some

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strange phenomena this phenomena enter

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and and goes out of out of the water

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some cylindrical cylindric objects

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this electric objects illuminated

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cylinder objects

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ray being some light beams in indigenous

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people it's something the federal police

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and we from national indigenous

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foundations are investigating

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uh maybe you're interested and so i i

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started to to get deep deeper and deeper

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in the subject

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and and get some documents and i became

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involved in all this

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and and i started to know some apologies

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in brazil to discuss these cases and

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everything get started to happen and to

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me inside this subject so a lot of

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coincidence a lot of things started and

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now i'm here

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to talk with you

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excellent thank you now

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obviously the the main focus seems to be

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in the united states when it comes to

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but you know from my own experience in

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south america it seems that the the

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is way more acceptable of ufos is that

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something that you see in brazil as well

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very very open to the subject

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uh we had the we had the event in 1986

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the brazilian were officially four

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nights where you have the the commander

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of the brazilian air force go to tv and

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say oh did our our fighters purchase

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some objects and no objects this

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happening so this is a demonstration of

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how open it we are to this subject uh

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our own air force many years ago had uh

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give the documents to the our national

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archives to people access it

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so i think we are we are very open to

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this issue however we know have some

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secrets the high resolution videos the

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the better photos for operation software

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for example and the the the big stuff is

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hidden we know that but we have some

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transparency we have some some openness

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and does the government in brazil do

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they currently have a ufo program that

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is publicly known about

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we had some ufo pro programs in the past

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in the 60s the ceo honey

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uh it was a branch of air force to

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investigate this case

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we had the operation saucer in amazon to

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investigate some cases that was

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affecting a lot of cities in states of

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two big states of amazon uh but we don't

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have we do have some some further

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investigations other investigations but

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some isolated ones not uh not a

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permanent body to start the subject and

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i and and i discussed it in senate last

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last weekend that this that this is the

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one of the the biggest problems we have

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we don't have the the

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an opportunity to centralize to

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coordinate everything we have for

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example national indigenous foundation

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have federal police have air force doing

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some real investigations but they don't

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don't talk with each other and

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and at the end of the day just uh put

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all the information

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hidden and that's what's happened in

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mainstream media uh because here in the

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uk and a bit in america as well we see

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it kind of a bit of the stigma is still

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attached to the subject what's it like

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uh but we had we have also a lot of

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uh we have a lot of skeptics that that

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do a joke about people that saw ufos

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see that the clear stigma our pilots our

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military don't don't want to talk about

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it i think today in u.s you have uh more

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and more openness to this topic with the

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military because of the the navy people

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that came forward to to discuss the

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subject i think this is something

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is starting to happen in brazil we had

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air traffic controller uh

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talking things about the virginia case

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that uh

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james fox will show in his uh next the

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commentary moment of contact

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uh we had we had some weeks ago a

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fighter pilot

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describing encounter a close encounter

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slowly but starting to change in brazil

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we have more military and traffic

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controllers that will come forward to

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that is a very very slow process

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most countries that it's a a slower

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process now let's talk about the

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hearings when did they first

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you know when did we first hear about

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them and and why now

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yeah um many months ago i talked with aj

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javier with which one which which is who

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is one of the the the most know of

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ufologists in brazil i have a good

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uh i i knew him about because of the the

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uh we have to we have to do something uh

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in the model of us to to

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to get deeper in this subject we we need

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to to do some

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legislations we need to approach some

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politics some senators some some

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representatives to talk with dan and and

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and and and they start to to to work her

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job to do some love some legislation

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about this topic and jeff i said oh

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ronnie i had a head i also call i had

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the contact i have a contact right now

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with senate senator edward jerome

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which is who is a senator

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that's very very interested in this

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and we he wants to do uh open hearing

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about this to start the conversations uh

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and this was and and general and and

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jeff yeah uh was was talking even before

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the kovid pandemic

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so but the kobe pandemic comes they had

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the u.s the subject in u.s uh uh evolved

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very fast we had the open hearing we

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have the gibran gallego

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amendment we have the uap test first

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report and we had a lot of love of

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things that in fact helped us to to to

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justify to have this this presentation

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is open here in in brazil and this is

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the background it was a plan that was

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environment the happenings in brazil and

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the world we we just did it uh in the

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last june 24 which was the a good day

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because it was the the day of sight of

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kenneth arnold uh the the ufo day so it

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was very symbolic for us

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yeah and uh are these the first ufo

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hearings that have ever happened in

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yes the first ufo here is that ever

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happened in brazil and i i think in a

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uh is the first one in the world i think

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i think in the u.s you had uh decades

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ago because of blue book and so on some

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here in the house of representatives but

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i think in a senate which is a is a more

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prominent house uh i think that the

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very very huge because i think that the

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senators have the power to to move this

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object forward

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and that and i think we'll discuss it

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yeah and i'm hoping you know we're

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hearing a lot of rumors about the us

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holding more hearings as well and i

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really hope that we get

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the senate side of things next um

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but listen you obviously gave a

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presentation at these hearings um for

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anybody that hasn't seen the hearings

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are you able to give us a breakdown of

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what your presentation

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in in the amazon forest

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without the investigation all my all my

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presentation was based in official

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uh so we start i started my my my speech

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in 70s where they had in 77 78 in brazil

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the operation saucer

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it's it's it's something we know about

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colors because uh is where the the

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things started to overrun

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in a in a serious serious way a lot of

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in effect a lot of people but we we have

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cases in two big states in many cities

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uh almost in all the cities that's

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located near of the the shore near the

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ocean we had all the the cities affected

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in status of maryam first and after the

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state of para so

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my

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cases about the what the evidence the

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operations officer encountered uh at the

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i find of the first part i talked

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with the the direct to the air force

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please therefore

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uh publish all the documents that you're

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hiding that you're not published yet you

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know i know you have a lot of photos i

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know a lot a lot of videos we have

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almost 60 hours of videos wow formats

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shopper age and supper 16 uh that was

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made by the the the crew the military

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crew of eureka orlando who was the

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commander

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and i i i urged their first to to to be

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open and and publish these documents

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also you respect queer and yolanda which

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was who was a a very very very good

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military he was so good that he had he

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had uh some videos that was from his

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particular inventory

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the video part of the videos was not

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from the air force part of the videos

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was from european london eventually

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london was a

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so good military that he gave everything

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to the air force and and he never saw

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his own videos and when and i think when

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he when he he died when he committed

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suicide i think one of the most the on

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the things that he he was so sad

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it was about the that videos that their

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first stolen never and he could never uh

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see the the the light

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so the first first part of my speech was

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about it

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is embarrassing because

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out the other commanders of navy army

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and and air force were invited by the

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senators but no one accepted the to to

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be present

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and but embarrassing is that air force

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sent to uh

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superior officials officials to the to

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the event

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to colonels that there was two colonies

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of air force there

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uh when i was

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talking they they were taking notes

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every time what was saying they could i

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could see it in front of me

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and i think they will they will uh

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talk with the commanders about

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what what they they saw what they they

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they think it's important and i think

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this discussion will be will be moving

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further the second part of my of my just

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my my speech

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was about the cases uh in in amazon

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forest

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but nowadays cases between

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2013 and 2016

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in another state

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in the in the west of brazil near the

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border with the country peru

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uh between indigenous people

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uh all the cases in seventies you know

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that operation of software investigated

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was uh between on that phenomenal and uh

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fisherman village

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uh and these cases in amazon were more

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interesting because was interactions

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with our isolated indigenous people

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and these these people were affected

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with life beings and so on

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so this started a very very huge

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investigation between national regional

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foundation

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brazilian army getting tested the

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intelligence community of brazil got

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interested we have a big investigation

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of federal police the prosecutors a lot

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of a lot of

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officers in brazil governmental options

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what it does in this case

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and some information

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never saw the light of the day

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when it started to become more

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aggressive we have some injustice that

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was hospitalized

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because of the light beings and when

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this event more aggressive event started

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the the government started to not talk

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about it and i'm trying to today to get

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some documents

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of the kids after 2016 because it was

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the most impressive ones and we have no

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much documentation about it and my last

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part of speech

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was about um a scientific investigation

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something i doing by myself in brazil

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and uh

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and and asking for the government for

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the senators to do something more

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professional with the using the the

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academy using our federal universities

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uh to investigate this this stuff in

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more scientific way and coordinated way

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because as i said in the beginning we

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have a lot of of uh offices in brazil

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governmental offices in brazil

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investigating this topic but

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uh in isolated form not in a

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collaboration not sharing results and so

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on so this is what's the best last part

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of my my speech there

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wonderful thank you and you mentioned

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there about you're trying to get hold of

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some documents is that using the freedom

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of information act that you have in

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brazil and and if so is that a good

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resource do you normally

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get files from them or is it a bit

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difficult

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yes all the documents i obtained from

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the cases of 2013 2006 between jesus

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from

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indigenous tribes and uaps were obtained

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through brazilian freedom of information

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the federal police never never

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shared any documentation

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therefore also never shares anything

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everything obtained it was from the our

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national prosecutors ops

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and our national indigenous foundation

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it was the because then

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which which normally we don't we don't

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we don't

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uh

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do a request for these offices because

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we we never imagined that the national

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engineering foundation or the the

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prosecutor's office we have something

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about ufos

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but as i said in the beginning i had a

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lot of coincidence in my life that i

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that led me to to to know people and

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these people uh wanting to help

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say to me oh do this type of

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request for the freedom of information

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act and you will obtain

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good things and this is uh how i

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achieved this document

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excellent and now there are obviously

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other speakers at the hearings from from

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other countries as well and now one

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thing that

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i found confusing is that louis elizondo

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apparently was meant to have

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done a prepared speech like a video

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but for some reason there's nothing

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online did he give a speech like a video

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presentation at all yes uh the aj javier

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was responsible to organize with the

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senator's team

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the event

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sure i was helping and for example in

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many moments java said to me ronnie i

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lost contact with with felizondo

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i cannot reach him and i help it with

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many in india and i and i

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i i like to thank to to many members of

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of ufo twitter

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that that happened that helped me to to

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get in touch with alessando and many

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others

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to to do this event happening this is

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what i think this

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this community is fantastic because of

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that when you have something we need

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everyone tries to help

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uh even if you don't know how to help

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you ask other people to to

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to to help and and this is how a

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community is supposed to work so i like

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to thank you many members of ufo twitter

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about it and

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and and in many moments many people

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helped to to strengthen the relation

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between java and arizondo

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uh what i know

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is that elizondo

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could not

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be present there because

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many people criticized in brazil

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criticized at this event in senate they

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said we have we have a lot of problems

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with a

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healthy uh security education puberty in

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brazil

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uh and you are talking about ufos sure

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it's people that's not aware about this

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topic they they know they don't know

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what's happening in the world about this

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topic and and and and i have to give

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credits because they simply don't have

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the information and and they

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they create kids it's just uh fair

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because they are not informed

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and and and so because of that the

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senator said we can't expand any penny

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to do this event happen

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and all the people me

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uh the gary

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uh and bob salas all the present people

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present there

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all the cost was not covered by the

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the the brazilian government the cover

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by ourselves the covered by our some

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representative or senator that wants us

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to help and and push the penny from his

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pocket soon this happened

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so it's important to say that and this

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is is is is the reason that we couldn't

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bring elizondo to to be there because

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brazilian government for this specific

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event was not covering any any

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and and what do i know what i know uh uh

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from jeremiah is that elizondo promises

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to send a video

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with a testimony from him logically not

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on

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unclassified briefing for pro brazilian

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senators

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and they lost connections a lot of times

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i don't know the reason why they lost

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connections between the zombies a lot of

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times i establish again these

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disconnections and and and the last last

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thing i know is that elizondo would not

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send a video but sent for the vara text

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uh a little text to be to be read in the

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in the brazilian sense i don't know i i

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didn't have the opportunity to talk with

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jeff again after the hearing

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uh i didn't know if jeff i was not happy

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with feliz under that promise at the

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beginning to send a video and identify

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the final at the end sent just a little

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text i don't know what happened

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uh but the the the the

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the result everyone knows the the

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the text of arizona was not read in

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brazil senator we didn't have the videos

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and that's what's happening so i think

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the best people to that best person to

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to clarify what's happening is the deja

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vu

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to say what's happening the information

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i know i'm talking with you right now

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okay

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yeah that's wonderful thank you so much

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for clearing that up i think a lot of

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people were unsure about what happened

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there i got jonathan davis here in the

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live chat saying what did lou elizondo

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say in his letter i guess there's the

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answer he got a text message across to

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to the brazilian senators so

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so yeah so um

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uh obviously we had other uh foreign

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people you mentioned bob salas gary

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hesseltein from the uk were there any

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major takeaways from what they discussed

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yes uh the the the question is very good

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because i i'm curious to know about

565
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:00,480
these texts that elizon said

566
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:03,039
i asked jennifer about that uh as i said

567
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:05,440
i didn't have the opportunity to to talk

568
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:08,000
of javascript i was very busy busy doing

569
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:10,080
some crap some some some we were for

570
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:12,000
events in brazil these days

571
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:14,080
and i couldn't reach him to talk about

572
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:15,039
it but

573
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:17,279
as soon as i have opportunity i'll talk

574
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:19,279
with him too to know and maybe i can

575
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:21,440
share something about the stacks of

576
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:25,039
feliz under a few uh we had also

577
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:25,919
two

578
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:28,080
international representatives from us

579
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:30,000
robert salas

580
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:33,200
bob salas was talking about the

581
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:36,720
the nuclear cases between uavs and the

582
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:40,159
debates he commanded in maelstrom so he

583
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:43,120
he he made a very good uh presentation

584
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:47,279
about that our our senators

585
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:49,279
became very present with the information

586
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:51,360
that bob starts presented

587
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:53,279
and

588
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:58,320
presented the global disclosure what the

589
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:01,279
event that was happening since 40 until

590
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:03,840
now uh

591
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:06,320
if you dancing that that some kind of

592
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:09,200
disclosure is coming uh

593
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:11,600
and and and gary this the speech of gary

594
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:13,760
hessentine was very important because he

595
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:16,720
was very emotional he was very uh

596
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:20,000
effusive about his his thoughts about

597
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:24,080
this the angry about that that that uh

598
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:26,080
that uh

599
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:28,240
protection that was made about the

600
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:31,840
subject uh of pentagon of of government

601
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:36,159
of the world so his his his his acts his

602
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:38,720
speech was very very very emotional and

603
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:42,880
very very very good for us to to to see

604
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:45,520
so this is what's the what the the gary

605
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:46,240
and

606
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:50,320
the event

607
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:52,480
great that's great thank you i've got a

608
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:54,640
question here that says could you please

609
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:57,919
explain to us why geraldo limos nito was

610
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:00,480
talking about spirit prisons on the moon

611
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,320
and aliens from the planet chiron

612
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:06,720
yes as i said i didn't organize the

613
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:10,640
event i personally don't agree with this

614
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:14,400
mix of science facts and religion

615
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:16,480
but we have also to understand the

616
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:19,360
context in brazil in brazil we have

617
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:21,919
millions of people that believe

618
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:23,520
in

619
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,480
the the religion of conspiracies okay

620
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:28,559
uh and in brazil we have a personal

621
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:31,679
colleague shiko javier chavez was a

622
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:34,880
leader of this religion that was uh

623
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:36,559
nominated to the

624
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:39,279
nobel nobel prize of peace

625
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:42,480
and everything he he he died poor

626
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:45,039
because everything he he

627
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:47,120
gained with his books his

628
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:49,039
donated everything and at the end of

629
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:52,320
their life he had nothing because uh he

630
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:54,080
donated everything for institutions of

631
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:55,840
charity so

632
00:27:02,149 --> 00:26:58,240
he was he was a man that

633
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:02,159
uh is very very very admitted in brazil

634
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:04,400
even from the from the non-religious

635
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:05,600
people

636
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:07,919
and we have a lot of as i said have a

637
00:27:12,590 --> 00:27:10,080
millions of people in brazil that follow

638
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:12,600
the spirit is a lot of senators and

639
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,960
representatives in brazil follow the

640
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:16,240
spirit scene

641
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:23,590
stories from the from the biggest

642
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:26,159
mediums about extraterrestrial life

643
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:28,080
about interdimensional life

644
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:30,480
so this is the reason the senators

645
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:31,440
choose

646
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:34,080
to to to get their dilemmas which is who

647
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:35,600
is the person that

648
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:36,960
is a is a

649
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:40,159
almost a son of shikoh because he he he

650
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:41,919
leave it with shaksha via during his

651
00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:43,360
life

652
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:44,480
uh

653
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:47,039
so senators choose to to to have this

654
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:49,520
conversation shoes to bring because they

655
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:50,640
know that

656
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:53,360
in brazil we have a lot of up to you

657
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:55,760
from population about this subject and

658
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:58,320
many people laughed when geraldo said

659
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:01,120
about the life in saturn for example

660
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:02,720
because they say oh life is something

661
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:04,000
that's not possible we know that

662
00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:06,320
scientifically you have no conditions to

663
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:10,880
have life in saturn but uh why i i i

664
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:12,640
don't agree totally with the religion

665
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:16,159
but what uh they they they're speeches

666
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:18,399
talks about life is softer and mass for

667
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:20,960
example is interdimensionalized it's not

668
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:23,600
necessarily life in our physical form in

669
00:28:27,909 --> 00:28:25,600
our three-dimensional world they they

670
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:27,919
call they have seven dimensions and

671
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:30,880
these beings in saturn in other planets

672
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:32,799
could live in any of these dimensions

673
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:33,600
that

674
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:41,200
not uh it's not uh an answer but uh just

675
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:42,080
uh

676
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:44,320
something that

677
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:47,120
to fit more out of the box and just to

678
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:50,559
to to eventually uh start to study and

679
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:53,760
and maybe in scientific uh study some

680
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:56,399
years uh in future maybe we can prove

681
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:58,000
that we have

682
00:29:02,149 --> 00:29:00,240
in fact some inter-dimensional

683
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:02,159
roads or international

684
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:04,880
beings uh as some people are saying or

685
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:06,799
maybe people coming from future which is

686
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:08,880
another uh

687
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:12,240
location in space time also uh so maybe

688
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:14,399
maybe something that in religions we

689
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:17,039
could science could prove some years ago

690
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:20,559
but uh uh i agree that that this is

691
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:21,679
is is

692
00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:23,679
a little strange to talk with uh

693
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:26,240
religious and and and brazilian

694
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,480
government documents everything together

695
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:30,480
maybe some people get confused about

696
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:33,120
that and i understand

697
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:34,799
i really appreciate you answering that

698
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:37,600
question thank you so much um joss has a

699
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:39,679
really good question here is there a

700
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:41,760
connection between brazilian nuclear

701
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:44,880
facilities and uap

702
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:45,760
uh

703
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:50,960
and

704
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:55,279
don't have a

705
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,440
nuclear weapons

706
00:30:02,470 --> 00:29:59,760
we don't have nuclear wraps but we have

707
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:02,480
uh nuclear energy facilities

708
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:06,000
and i i made some some requests for the

709
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:08,880
freedom of information act some months

710
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:11,440
ago and our regulatory commission of

711
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:13,120
energy says that

712
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:15,679
they didn't don't have in the in their

713
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:20,480
records any cases between ufos uaps and

714
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:23,360
nuclear facilities uh i don't know if

715
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:25,360
they're hiding something but this is the

716
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:27,679
the official uh

717
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:29,600
answer for this

718
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:30,799
question

719
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:32,640
yeah thank you so much

720
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:35,360
now since the hearings have finished and

721
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:37,679
what has the reaction been like

722
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:40,399
have the mainstream media covered it is

723
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:42,159
there some positives as well as

724
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:44,159
negatives

725
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:46,640
it was very very strange feedback

726
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:52,950
uh before the event we had all the major

727
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:56,159
media saying oh we will have a ufo

728
00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:59,360
session at june 24 the senate will

729
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:01,279
discuss for the first time

730
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:05,600
and and after the the the hearing uh no

731
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:06,960
no one

732
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:10,159
no big media talked about it they didn't

733
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:12,320
simply didn't talk about it they didn't

734
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:15,120
talk it uh uh

735
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:17,519
didn't we was respecting some of the

736
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:19,760
parts of the middle say oh this this

737
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:23,519
this is a this is a joke uh this uh

738
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,360
didn't need to be discussed in senate we

739
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:27,120
have a lot of other problems but they

740
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:29,919
simply forget about it it was very very

741
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:32,399
strange uh i don't know if they forget

742
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,760
in fact and some and and someday they

743
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:37,679
they they will remember oh my god they

744
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:40,000
they they they even just happened and we

745
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:41,120
didn't know this

746
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:44,960
uh or maybe they noticed but notice this

747
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:47,600
week and the event was two weeks ago and

748
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:49,840
they don't want to to notice

749
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:51,760
this anymore i don't know but they

750
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:53,760
simply didn't talk about it this was

751
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,600
very very strange

752
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:57,840
yeah lovely thank you so much uh

753
00:32:01,750 --> 00:31:59,279
jonathan davis with another great

754
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:01,760
question what comes next will there be

755
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:03,760
another hearing soon with the military

756
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:06,000
involved

757
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:10,240
uh after the the hearing uh the hearing

758
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:12,399
the duration was five hours they

759
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:14,960
initiated 10 am

760
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:17,600
and finishes 3 p.m

761
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:20,159
and after the the session

762
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:22,000
we we

763
00:32:29,909 --> 00:32:27,440
with with senator jiren and his team

764
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:29,919
uh i cannot discuss everything i

765
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:31,840
discussed with him but

766
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:34,080
uh i give him a lot of the

767
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:35,519
recommendations

768
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:38,720
basically uh to follow the model that's

769
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:39,600
being

770
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:41,039
uh

771
00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:43,679
follow it in usa okay

772
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:45,200
uh

773
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:47,600
and and what i think what i think is

774
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:51,760
that uh the senators will start to poke

775
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:55,840
uh the the next of the armed forces

776
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:58,320
mainly the air force and navy

777
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:01,679
and also our minister of defense

778
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:03,840
to know to start the conversations and

779
00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:06,320
say oh let's do a classified briefing

780
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:10,159
what you know that you cannot reveal uh

781
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:13,679
and and and and what you can uh uh open

782
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:16,240
to the public at this time what's the

783
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:18,159
national security issue and so on the

784
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:20,640
conversation will start

785
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:21,519
and

786
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:24,320
the the senator jerome in his team are

787
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:26,640
very very

788
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:29,840
motivated to do a legislation to start

789
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:32,240
conversations about the legislation in

790
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:34,480
the model of gillibrand rubio and

791
00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:38,399
galileo amendment u.s to have a

792
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:40,399
permanent body a permanent office of

793
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:44,000
investigations uniting the armed forces

794
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:47,200
the academy the universities and the

795
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:49,440
ufologists and so on the civil

796
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:52,640
organizations in brazil and i think uh

797
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:54,559
this will lead

798
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:55,440
to

799
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:58,480
at least some additional hearings maybe

800
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:01,360
some hearings with the the the members

801
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,799
of ahmed fathers and so on and and

802
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:06,960
i know that we have also a lot of

803
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,480
representatives from the house of

804
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:10,800
representatives interested in the

805
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:13,760
subject entitles to do a second hearing

806
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:15,919
in house of representatives and i think

807
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:18,240
this will happen so

808
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:20,560
wonderful thank you um so what's

809
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:22,560
actually next for yourself then in this

810
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:24,399
subject do you have anything planned any

811
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:27,440
other cases that you're working on

812
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:29,440
uh i i i

813
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:30,560
four years

814
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:34,800
started to visit

815
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:36,560
first i read the book i read a very

816
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:39,200
interesting book from a brazilian one of

817
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:40,879
the main brazilian followers in brazil

818
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:42,800
it's called marco pichi

819
00:34:47,909 --> 00:34:45,359
uh which the for me is the number two or

820
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:47,919
number three after java followed us in

821
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:50,079
brazil serious apologies

822
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:53,440
and this book of hands talked about the

823
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:55,839
beauty here in my stage in a huge

824
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:57,440
january in brazil

825
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:01,280
which allegedly was a hot spot in brazil

826
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:03,119
and i started to scratch my head and

827
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,720
said oh

828
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:06,720
it's serious

829
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:10,000
this kind of phenomena happens there and

830
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:10,880
uh

831
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:13,760
and instead of crit size

832
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:16,320
i put my boots i put my pants and i went

833
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:19,280
there i and it started in 2008

834
00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:20,880
to to

835
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:22,480
to

836
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:31,119
incredible things there many phenomenas

837
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:33,440
that are very very uh

838
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:35,200
like has darling phenomenal light

839
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:36,400
phenomena

840
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:39,359
in some cases and is important i clarify

841
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:42,560
to people uh

842
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:45,280
it's not it's not uh it's very very yeah

843
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:47,680
the event happens very often

844
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:50,000
but nothing like oh i'll go there the

845
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:52,160
first time and i will see something no

846
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:54,800
you have to be consistent you have to go

847
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:57,760
a lot of times maybe you you you'll see

848
00:36:02,310 --> 00:35:59,599
something the first time maybe you see

849
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:02,320
something in the tough time so it's it's

850
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:05,040
not it's happens often but it's not

851
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:07,920
something magical that you go there the

852
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:10,480
first time and see beings and see like i

853
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:13,839
want one time i saw lights near me and i

854
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:16,720
say near me was about one meter two

855
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:18,000
meters

856
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:20,560
very strange lights no sounds no

857
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:23,680
luminous effects in my eyes and and this

858
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:25,760
is the first event

859
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:27,119
in four years

860
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:28,000
uh

861
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:30,800
the second event it was one that i

862
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:33,920
testimonies in senate when i saw the big

863
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:36,560
huge orange light and when this orange

864
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:38,160
light

865
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:39,359
diminished

866
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:42,720
and turned off i saw with my eyes being

867
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:45,760
three big big black beans uh three to

868
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:48,320
five meters top and i testimonies that

869
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:52,240
incentive expecting our academics and

870
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:53,920
our government to being status to

871
00:36:59,829 --> 00:36:57,119
investigate the place because uh uh i

872
00:37:02,390 --> 00:36:59,839
want the the the uh and i recommended

873
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:02,400
that to the senate go to that place and

874
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:04,480
see by our eyes and investigate and

875
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:07,119
bring the equipment and do you see stuff

876
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:10,800
because uh i think that we if we it's

877
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:13,520
like a a mini skin rocker range we have

878
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:15,040
in brazil we have a lot of hot spots in

879
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:17,200
brazil this is just one

880
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:19,680
uh and i think if you start academic

881
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:22,000
study scientific study installing some

882
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:24,560
equipment we'll have some some results

883
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:27,040
there and my project right now we have

884
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:30,560
uh a lot of cameras i installed uh camo

885
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:33,359
cameras high obstacle zone cameras and

886
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:36,560
sensors there started right now i

887
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:39,359
inaugurated there in the same day we had

888
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:41,920
the event in brazil senate

889
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:44,640
and we are right now collecting data and

890
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:48,079
maybe we could uh have some results and

891
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:51,440
i said it said that maybe uh soon we'll

892
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:54,480
have the first high resolution video

893
00:38:01,990 --> 00:37:58,079
collected by uh season institute

894
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:02,000
me or galileo or other projects that

895
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:05,119
other people are are starting to to

896
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:08,160
because i think it's something uh that's

897
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:10,560
unstoppable me and other people will

898
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:13,200
start to do this kind of research and in

899
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:15,839
some moment i think some moment people

900
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:18,160
start catching some very very compelling

901
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:20,000
very very impressive i think it's a

902
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:22,560
matter of time and i think this is

903
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:24,720
something that scares the government

904
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:27,119
because the the people are starting to

905
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,160
wake and starting to do his own research

906
00:38:34,470 --> 00:38:32,640
to not depend of the government data and

907
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:34,480
i think this is a movement that will get

908
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:36,320
a bigger bigger bigger in the next few

909
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:37,440
years

910
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:39,040
that's wonderful and i really i really

911
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:40,800
wish you all the luck with that project

912
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:43,520
definitely i've got a question here from

913
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:45,040
from shardl

914
00:38:49,349 --> 00:38:46,720
are there any cases from brazil where

915
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:49,359
there is evidence of hostile intent from

916
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:51,839
the brazilian military or the uap

917
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:54,079
themselves

918
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:56,800
yeah we have cases in brazil that the

919
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:58,000
pilots

920
00:39:02,950 --> 00:38:59,520
try to

921
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:02,960
to shock the uap but didn't have success

922
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:06,240
because the uap just disappeared

923
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:09,760
uh we had we had some cases where we had

924
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:12,079
the european fighting

925
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:14,240
light beams in people for for example in

926
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:16,160
the amazon collards we had a lot of

927
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:17,040
people

928
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:21,280
that

929
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,160
became some mental regression i knew

930
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:26,640
these people because i went there

931
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:28,560
people that was affecting seventies and

932
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:32,640
today has uh uh uh brain damage that the

933
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:35,280
these people act today like child of 12

934
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:38,240
years and this kind of phenomena uh

935
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:41,040
happening we don't know if it's

936
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:43,599
the intention we don't know if it's if

937
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:46,079
it's uh

938
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:48,880
they wanted to do that or it's like

939
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:53,119
something uh our body a specific

940
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:56,400
people's body uh reaction to that light

941
00:40:03,270 --> 00:39:58,880
being we don't know

942
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:03,280
but it's happening it's happening yeah

943
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:05,200
mr driscoll asks is there any truth to

944
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:07,440
the mage incident that went viral a few

945
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:10,480
years back was it a viral hoax or maybe

946
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:14,400
that smoke actually came from a fire

947
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:16,880
yes this was a question that i i

948
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:20,319
responded at the final part of the uap

949
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:26,470
many people in internet was interested

950
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:28,960
about this this that growing became

951
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:31,520
international cases very very fast this

952
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:33,680
is the the power of the internet but i

953
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:35,599
think the internet has

954
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,640
had something good and bad thing the bad

955
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:40,480
thing is that a lot of people try to

956
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:41,359
fake

957
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:44,319
some images take some videos talk some

958
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:47,520
lies about it and i can't i can't talk

959
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:49,520
about this case with prophet because i

960
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:50,880
was

961
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:52,960
one of the four people in brazil for

962
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:55,359
investigators in brazil that came into

963
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:57,839
the site i spent one week there in my

964
00:41:01,750 --> 00:40:58,720
jet

965
00:41:02,790 --> 00:41:01,760
i talked to hundreds of people about it

966
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:02,800
and

967
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:05,280
what i can say about it we cannot prove

968
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:08,880
that something related to ufo uap

969
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:12,240
happening but we had a huge military

970
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:14,319
operation conducted by the brazilian

971
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:15,440
army

972
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:16,400
uh

973
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:19,599
and and i i have documentation that i

974
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:22,160
achieved from the the brazilian army

975
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:23,200
itself

976
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:24,560
saying that

977
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:27,440
they had a lot a huge operation there

978
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:28,880
not imagine

979
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:31,520
but in a in a

980
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:33,520
area of uh

981
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:36,240
environmental protection ecosystem near

982
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:37,280
majes

983
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:42,640
and something happened happening there

984
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:45,040
that the military the brazilian army

985
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:47,920
needed to do operation there they say it

986
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:50,240
was a training operation but they

987
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:53,280
refused to give me any document about

988
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:55,359
this training because of national

989
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:57,920
security issues uh

990
00:42:02,870 --> 00:41:59,839
okay but this is what's only a training

991
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:02,880
because you cannot offer any documents

992
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:05,520
this is a problem and and they confirmed

993
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:08,960
all the helicopters that was fighting

994
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:11,839
and the people from ajay uh

995
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:15,359
saw during this event and all the dates

996
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:18,160
other times uh are totally compatible

997
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:20,720
with that operation of brazilian army

998
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:23,359
imagine so a huge operation

999
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:26,000
takes place took place there

1000
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:29,200
but unfortunately i cannot

1001
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:31,839
affirm i cannot say to you what really

1002
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:34,480
happened why they that military people

1003
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:36,800
was involved there maybe we can we can

1004
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:38,800
find something soon

1005
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,480
hopefully hopefully

1006
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,720
uh final question here is from jonathan

1007
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,400
davis have you been involved with the

1008
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:47,040
new james fox investigation and the new

1009
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:49,040
movie

1010
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:51,440
no but i have a very very good friend a

1011
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:53,359
very competent researcher in brazil

1012
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:55,680
colin marco relu

1013
00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:58,319
the world will know him a lot because he

1014
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:01,760
has a very very big participation in

1015
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:04,079
james fox next documentary moment of

1016
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:06,640
contact he was the main adviser and

1017
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:09,760
producer of james fox for this

1018
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:13,040
documentary marco aurelius

1019
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:16,160
presented to to james fox all these of

1020
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:18,880
the witnesses that he interviewed in the

1021
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:20,079
commentary

1022
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:24,240
and i i think marco will have a a big

1023
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:27,359
big hole in ufo twitter and this topic

1024
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:29,760
and then after the the release of the

1025
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:31,280
documentary

1026
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:33,119
yeah thank you i've been lucky enough to

1027
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:35,520
see an advanced copy of the documentary

1028
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:37,119
and the amount of

1029
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:39,280
testimony and witnesses in it is is

1030
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:40,480
unbelievable

1031
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:42,319
uh well listen ronnie thank you so much

1032
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:44,079
for joining me today i really do

1033
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:46,000
appreciate it we got through the

1034
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:47,920
technical hitches at the start and

1035
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:50,400
that's been a fascinating conversation

1036
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:52,240
hopefully in the future there'll be more

1037
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:54,079
hearings in brazil and i'd love to have

1038
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:55,680
you back to discuss them when they

1039
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:57,520
happen

1040
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,520
thank you very much thank vinnie thanks

1041
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:01,440
for disclosing tim

1042
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:03,359
thank you for everyone that watcher from

1043
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:04,160
the

1044
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:08,880
uh i i hope that i i

1045
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,200
i could respond to all the questions

1046
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:13,440
that you had uh i think was a good

1047
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:15,839
conversation and i i hope to to talk

1048
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:19,119
with you soon uh because i think brazil

1049
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:21,040
have the the a lot of

1050
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,920
big news coming in the next month

1051
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:25,520
that's wonderful

1052
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,040
to everyone watching thank you for

1053
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:29,040
everyone in the chat some fantastic

1054
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:32,160
questions and it's always good to see so

1055
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:34,319
many cool people having a great chat and

1056
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:36,880
a great time i'm going to be back this

1057
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:40,880
friday with brit barbieri she is a ufo

1058
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:44,880
researcher a cryptozoologist and also a

1059
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:46,640
researcher of the paranormal so

1060
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:48,319
something a little bit different on

1061
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:50,560
friday but for now everyone enjoy the